Talk:NPC/Farming research

NOTE: once you have Arch, HBR and MT to 10 the MAX amount of Ballista you will need for ANY hero is 450. (farming lvl5's with a Pol hero of 18 attack, no losses)

Actually, the above is wrong. I have used an attack hero of only 14 to hit a level 5 NPC and lost 2 ballista. The second time I hit, I had 10 losses, probably due to too many rounds and the defending hero's level. All my research is at 10. Hero can be any level but with an attack below 14 will incur some, very small losses.

Warning: Going below 320 balista's on an npc will still start giving small losses depending on the defending hero apperently. You will not get losses every single time but might get a few. 320 seems to be safe though, As soon as the amount of rounds needed breaks 75 rounds losses can start to appear.

Interpretation: ''HBR lvl 5 with archery 8 is a safe value as far as you send enough to wipe out the enemy. 500 ballistae is considered the minimum but if you refer to the above tables you'll see that this also requires a high attack hero ( at least 70+ ) for instance, my lvl 100+ attacker can take lvl 4 npc's in less rounds with less ballistae as my int hero ( lvl 30 attack ) needs to conquer a lvl 3 npc. In order to succeed with my low attack hero I actually need to send 5 times the amount of ballistae my high attacker needs. ( lvl 93 attacker needed 20, lvl 30 attacker needs 110 and is already brushing the auto-defeat due to 100 rounds ) Sending lesser units ( 60, resulted in a complete loss with all units killed ) Your ballistae need to take out ALL archers towers in the first shot--not sending a strong enough force will let them leave some at's up which then get a chance to shoot back at you, wiping you out. 500 ballistae is only safe with at least a lvl 70 + attacker, anything below that and it should be highly increased. This is due to the fact that your initial attack equals your ballista attack ''

I have found a way of getting below those "magical" 350 ballistas with only level 8 archery - seems like it is very dependent on hero attack value, I started from 500 ballistas with the same (if several levels weaker) hero, and was attacking with 10 less by every attack, and there was no casualties on any of those ;).

I have been consistently defeating level 5 NPC'S with 290 ballista and level 10 archery and 9 HB hero between 80 - 120 have done this over 200 times.

Higher Level NPCs (6+)

 * You will always take losses because NPC levels 6-10 have defensive trebuchets as fortifications which have ranges of 5000.

[1] wishingriver 2k catapults against level 6 with 112 attack hero lost 96 with 10% loss recovery

[2] I had lvl 10 arch and lvl 8 horse back my hero had 70 attack. Insane amount of losses.

[3] 2k Ballasta lvl 10 Arch, lvl 10 MT, Lvl 9 Horseback, Attacking Hero 156.8 Defending Hero Lvl 3 Results: 260 Battasta loss, 28 healed Total loss is 232 Ballasta Resources to make 232 Ballasta: 551k food,661.2k lumber, 396720 iron 4 mil food @ 1.6 = 6.4 mil gold 200k wood @ 2.4 = 480k gold 200k stone @ .184 = 36.8k gold 200k iron @ 3.374 = 974k Gold 600k gold

Total gold in 8,490,000 Total gold to make 232 = 4mil food - 551k(new Balls)= 3.449 mil food @1.6g = 5.5184 mil gold 200k wood - 661.2k(new Balls) = -461.2k (2.486gold each/ -1.146mil gold) 200k stone @ .184 = 36.8k gold 200k iron -396720 (New Balls) = -196.72k (3.2 each/ -629.504k gold) Profit 3.7429 mil gold

Level 7
Hero attack 90, 3000 Ballista, 220 Ram, 4000 archers, 1000 pikemen, 2000 swordsmen, Archery 10, HBR 9, Iron working 9: defeated, 100% troop lost.

Hero attack 93, 2775 Ballista, 960 Ram, Archery 10, HBR 9, Iron working 9: defeated, 100% troop lost.

Recommended for NPC level 7: with Hero attack 90+, Archery 10, HBR 9, Iron working 9: 5000 Ballista or 4000 Ballista+1000 Ram.

Level 7 NPC: Hero attack 132, 5200 Ballistae (Archery 10, HBR 10, Iron Working 10): Victory, 1290 Ballistae lost. User - Field, Server 25.

Note: If your level of horseback riding is 7 or 8, you'll lose some ballistas in these attacks, because your ballistas move too fast, so they are unable to wipe out the archer towers before they are within their range. Level 6 and below or level 9 and above are your best options up until NPC 5.

Also Note: If the attack skill of the hero is too low, you may lose ballista. Use a hero with attack skill of at least 40.

2500 balls for lvl 6 5000 for lvl 7 20000 4 lvl 8

Attacking Level 7's in Evony Age II: I use 100k Warriors with a hero with 200+ attack. I lost anywhere from 15 to 18k warriors. However I calculate the cost of the lost warriors vs. the gold price value of the resources I get from the level 7 - by looking at the current prices in the marketplace - and ensure that I will still end up ahead. - Rog.

Level 8 NPC
Lvl 8 NPC: Hero attack 129, arch 10, hbr 10, iw 10, mt 10, corslet, horn, 5808 ballistae, 858 rams, 147 catapults: defeated, 100% troops lost. only 10% healed. battle44.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090919/d3/43/d343279f40e80b096971b7c1e6cf77bb.xml

Suggestions for Attacking Level 8 NPC's
The nice thing about level 8 NPC's is the extra resources you get; 800k Lumber, Stone and Iron - Even Level 10's only have 600k. In Age II, conquering a level 8 NPC is also one of the Queen's Quests, so it would be helpful to have a section on how to conquer them. For now, use the section on conquering a level 10. It should work for level 8's also.

I suggest using an Attack Hero with Attack of at least 140

4,000 Warriors

2,000 Pike

2,000 Scouts

2,000 Sword

1,500 Transports

88,500 Archers

Lose:

2,387 Warriors

2,000 Pike

1,356 Scouts

2,000 Sword

4,606 Archers

Works well with Level 6 and 7 NPC's as well however I have not experimented with decreasing the troop counts for them.

You can also use 80,000 warriors with 2,000 transporters to farm a level 8 this will get you 2k prestige as well.

Now there is also another method; if you don't mind a bloodbath and taking the short amount of time it takes to build them you can use Warriors in place of what is above.

98,500 Warriors 1,500 Transports

You will loose about half your Warriors however keep in mind they are cheap and fast to make.

Level 10
See main article Complete reference to conquer a level 10 NPC

'''HELP! WHAT IS GOING ON?''' I was attacking an NPC 10 normally as I do then all of a sudden the next day I sarted to take 25k archer losses! Please post somin if you have a clue what is going on-- i really need your help!

On server 86 the same thing is happening - every once in a while when I send the standard rainbow I lose 30k of 90 or so of archers; what happens is that I spring every single trap; all of them at one time. This has happened to me twice and to others as well. I beleive it must be a programming anomoly when a certain combination of elements is present. One would need to collect data and research to find the cause.

Hey so I worked out the problem - it's because I put compass to level 10 which I will never do again. I suggest leaving it at 9 as if you put it to 10, you will need horseback riding 10 as well which I didn't have so if u can do horseback riding 10-- do compass 10 as well!


 * Note First - If you want to attack a Level 10 NPC, scout until you find a hero in the NPC that is Lvl 5 or below for lower losses.
 * Note Second - The Higher your Attack Hero the less losses you will take, so attack with your best Attack Hero.
 * Note Third - I did NOT use Horn, Pencillin, or Corselet. It was just a regular Attack.
 * 100,000 Archers + A RainBow (Archery Lv10, HBR Lv9, MT Lv10, IW Lv9, Meds Lv9, Attack Hero Lv150.
 * 18 rounds, Losses 48,455 Archers + Rainbow)
 * 101,500 Archers + A RainBow (Archery Lv10, HBR Lv9, MT Lv10, IW Lv9, Meds Lv9, Attack Hero Lv147.
 * 19 rounds, Losses 56,601 Archers + Rainbow)
 * 117,500 Archers + A RainBow (Archery Lv10, HBR Lv9, MT Lv10, IW Lv9, Meds Lv9, Attack Hero Lv144.
 * 14 rounds, Losses 23,480 Archers + Rainbow)
 * By User Warlord26 Server 45 :)

please tell if i can use 16k balls and 74k archers with a lvl10 npc -You can most probably make it with the 74K archers if your techs and att hero is good enough.

A couple of tips for farming a lvl 10 NPC:

If possible, send multiple waves, there is a high chance of getting a medal on the first 3-6 attacks. Those waves should be 20,000 archers or more.(You should also have them hit within a maximum of 6 minutes after the first attack, because of the 10% regeneration every 6 mins.) I usually send 1K of each melee troop and as many archers as possible on the first wave(spots left minus number of transports needed). I also send 3x5000 warriors to hit before the main attack, to clear out some traps and trebs (send a poor hero, considering you might lose it unless the loyalty is 100.)
 * 1) First of all, I have not used War Ensign when I have attacked, it is enough with a lvl 10 or 9 rally spot. You will get more losses, but you get to save the item for a more important battle.

I hope this helps everyone in their farming of lv. 10's :)
 * 1) The best way to attack a lv. 10 NPC is to send 2k workers, 2k warriors, 2k scouts, 2k pikemen, 2k swordsmen, 2k trans ( if you have all your research) and 88k archers, and of course-- your best attack hero( must be above 110 attack plus). Also, make sure you scout the Lv. 10 till you get a Lv. 1 hero so minimize less losses. You will loose all the 2k groups... and between 5k-20k archers.. depending on ur hero's attack... no trans will be lost.

2100 workers, 2100 warriors, 2800 scouts, 91000 archers, 2000 trans. This results in total loss of workers and warriors. You may have losses of between 1800-2800 scouts (normally around 2500). You will lose somewhere between 4000-7000 archers. You will lose no trans. This method never has drops, but it is by far the most effective way to attack level 10 npcs.
 * 1) There are a couple of ways to attack level 10 npcs. One way is to attack with 1000 workers, 1000 warriors, 500 scouts, 750 swords, 750 pike, 94000 archers, and 2000 trans.  This attack has a high percentage of drops.  But the best way to attack a level 10 npc is this
 * I used the second method with a lvl 60,129attack hero. The NPC I hit had a lvl45hero.  I lost all of my workers/warriors/scouts and only 9443 archers :)   Apparently I need to lvl up my logistics again though cause I didnt get all of the resources lol.  posted by Lady Erica